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sonne3110 27.09.2004 18:31

Hilfe Trojaner TR/DLdr.Small.OR - wie kann ich den löschen?
 
Habe einen Trojaner auf meinem PC, wie kann ich ihn löschen?

Logfile of HijackThis v1.98.2
Scan saved at 19:22:05, on 27.09.2004
Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\csrss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Dit.exe
C:\Programme\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel\atiptaxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\RunDll32.exe
C:\Programme\Gemeinsame Dateien\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\PRISMSTA.EXE
C:\Programme\AVPersonal\AVWUPSRV.EXE
C:\Programme\CA\SharedComponents\CA_LIC\LogWatNT.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ZoneLabs\vsmon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\DitExp.exe
C:\WINDOWS\mHotkey.exe
C:\WINDOWS\CNYHKey.exe
C:\Programme\AVPersonal\AVSched32.EXE
C:\Programme\QuickTime\qttask.exe
C:\Programme\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe
C:\Programme\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe
C:\Programme\WinAce\WinAce.exe
C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Sandy Keilitz\Lokale Einstellungen\Temp\HijackThis.exe

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer,Search = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer,SearchURL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer,Search = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.motor-search.info
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = about:blank
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = about:blank
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.motor-search.info
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = about:blank
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Window Title = Microsoft Internet Explorer
R3 - URLSearchHook: MailTo Class - {FDE3577A-6254-181C-4E11-339E4F746BD3} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\wins32t.dll
O1 - Hosts: auto.search.msn.com 213.180.194.129
O1 - Hosts: ya.ru 127.0.0.1
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Programme\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Tubby - {9EAC0102-5E61-2312-BC2D-414456544F4E} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\ADV.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx
O3 - Toolbar: Advanced Search - {9EAC0102-5E61-2312-BC2D-414456544F4E} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\ADV.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Dit] Dit.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ATIPTA] C:\Programme\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel\atiptaxx.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Cmaudio] RunDll32 cmicnfg.cpl,CMICtrlWnd
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TkBellExe] "C:\Programme\Gemeinsame Dateien\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe" -osboot
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PRISMSTA.EXE] PRISMSTA.EXE START
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PinnacleDriverCheck] C:\WINDOWS\System32\PSDrvCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CloneCDElbyCDFL] "C:\Programme\Elaborate Bytes\CloneCD\ElbyCheck.exe" /L ElbyCDFL
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CloneDVDElbyDelay] "C:\Programme\Elaborate Bytes\CloneDVD\ElbyCheck.exe" /L ElbyDelay
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ElbyCheckAnyDVD] "C:\Programme\SlySoft\AnyDVD\ElbyCheck.exe" /L AnyDVD
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [KernelFaultCheck] %systemroot%\system32\dumprep 0 -k
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [CHotkey] mHotkey.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ledpointer] CNYHKey.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iexplore.exe] C:\WINDOWS\winlogon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [THGuard] "C:\Programme\TrojanHunter 4.0\THGuard.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVSCHED32] C:\Programme\AVPersonal\AVSched32.EXE /min
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Programme\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Zone Labs Client] "C:\Programme\Zone Labs\ZoneAlarm\zlclient.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [AOLMIcon] C:\Programme\Gemeinsame Dateien\aolshare\AOLMIcon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [tapisys] C:\WINDOWS\System32\tss.exe
O4 - Startup: PowerReg Scheduler.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Adobe Gamma Loader.lnk = C:\Programme\Gemeinsame Dateien\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe Gamma Loader.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Programme\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O6 - HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Control Panel present
O9 - Extra button: Real.com - {CD67F990-D8E9-11d2-98FE-00C0F0318AFE} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\Shdocvw.dll
O9 - Extra button: ~ Sex drug Soma - {0234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Soma (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Sex drug Soma - {0234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Soma (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Win your 1st Million in our Online Casino! - {6234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Casino (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Win your 1st Million in our Online Casino! - {6234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Casino (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Where Bill Klinton play in Strip Poker?! - {7234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Poker+Online (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Where Bill Klinton play in Strip Poker?! - {7234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Poker+Online (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Free Viagra Samples - {8234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Viagra (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Free Viagra Samples - {8234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Viagra (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: MedionShop - {8DC086C2-5C5E-4B71-8413-18139AC3D9CF} - http://www.medionshop.de/ (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Free Remover of Spyware - {9234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Spyware (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Free Remover of Spyware - {9234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Spyware (file missing) (HKCU)
O13 - DefaultPrefix: htt://
O13 - WWW Prefix: htt://
O13 - Home Prefix: htt://
O13 - Mosaic Prefix: htt://
O14 - IERESET.INF: START_PAGE_URL=http://www.aldi.com
O15 - Trusted Zone: http://www.sekretaerinnen.com
O16 - DPF: {11010101-1001-1111-1000-110112345678} - ms-its:mhtml:file://c:\nosuch.mht!http://69.50.173.250/tonn.chm::/wintbl32.exe
O16 - DPF: {15AD4789-CDB4-47E1-A9DA-992EE8E6BAD6} - file://c:\x.cab
O16 - DPF: {22222222-2222-2222-2222-222222222222} - file://c:\x.cab
O16 - DPF: {31B7EB4E-8B4B-11D1-A789-00A0CC6651A8} (Cult3D ActiveX Player) - http://www.cult3d.com/download/cult.cab
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...?1094049424109
O18 - Filter: text/html - (no CLSID) - (no file)
O18 - Filter: text/plain - (no CLSID) - (no file)
O21 - SSODL: System - {C60CCA7D-57CA-4F5D-BB88-0B708C2603AD} - C:\WINDOWS\system32\system32.dll (file missing)
O21 - SSODL: SystemCheck - {54645654-2225-4455-44A1-9F4543D34544} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\vbsys.dll

*Christian* 27.09.2004 21:48

Fixe mit HijackThis dies:


R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer,Search = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer,SearchURL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer,Search = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.motor-search.info
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = about:blank
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = about:blank
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.motor-search.info
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://www.motor-search.info/shuttle6.html
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = about:blank
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Window Title = Microsoft Internet Explorer
R3 - URLSearchHook: MailTo Class - {FDE3577A-6254-181C-4E11-339E4F746BD3} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\wins32t.dll
O1 - Hosts: auto.search.msn.com 213.180.194.129
O1 - Hosts: ya.ru 127.0.0.1
O2 - BHO: Tubby - {9EAC0102-5E61-2312-BC2D-414456544F4E} -
C:\WINDOWS\System32\ADV.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Advanced Search - {9EAC0102-5E61-2312-BC2D-414456544F4E} -
C:\WINDOWS\System32\ADV.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [iexplore.exe] C:\WINDOWS\winlogon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [tapisys] C:\WINDOWS\System32\tss.exe
O9 - Extra button: ~ Sex drug Soma - {0234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Soma (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Sex drug Soma - {0234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Soma (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Win your 1st Million in our Online Casino! - {6234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Casino (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Win your 1st Million in our Online Casino! - {6234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Casino (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Where Bill Klinton play in Strip Poker?! - {7234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Poker+Online (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Where Bill Klinton play in Strip Poker?! - {7234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Poker+Online (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Free Viagra Samples - {8234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Viagra (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Free Viagra Samples - {8234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Viagra (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: MedionShop - {8DC086C2-5C5E-4B71-8413-18139AC3D9CF} - http://www.medionshop.de/ (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra button: ~ Free Remover of Spyware - {9234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Spyware (file missing) (HKCU)
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ~ Free Remover of Spyware - {9234f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - http://motor-search.info/iresults.php?qq=Spyware (file missing) (HKCU)
O13 - DefaultPrefix: htt://
O13 - WWW Prefix: htt://
O13 - Home Prefix: htt://
O13 - Mosaic Prefix: htt://
O15 - Trusted Zone: http://www.sekretaerinnen.com
O16 - DPF: {11010101-1001-1111-1000-110112345678} - ms-its:mhtml:file://c:\nosuch.mht!http://69.50.173.250/tonn.chm::/wintbl32.exe
O16 - DPF: {15AD4789-CDB4-47E1-A9DA-992EE8E6BAD6} - file://c:\x.cab
O16 - DPF: {22222222-2222-2222-2222-222222222222} - file://c:\x.cab
O16 - DPF: {31B7EB4E-8B4B-11D1-A789-00A0CC6651A8} (Cult3D ActiveX Player) - http://www.cult3d.com/download/cult.cab
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...b?1094049424109
O18 - Filter: text/html - (no CLSID) - (no file)
O18 - Filter: text/plain - (no CLSID) - (no file)
O21 - SSODL: System - {C60CCA7D-57CA-4F5D-BB88-0B708C2603AD} - C:\WINDOWS\system32\system32.dll (file missing)
O21 - SSODL: SystemCheck - {54645654-2225-4455-44A1-9F4543D34544} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\vbsys.dll

Lösche die Dateien:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\vbsys.dll
C:\WINDOWS\System32\ADV.dll

Danach scanne mal mit eScan im abgesicherten Modus: http://www.trojaner-board.de/showthread.php?t=6083

Ceridwen 28.09.2004 14:53

hallo ich hab das dingen auch...und komm irgendwie nicht weiter, bin bei solchen dingen auch nicht so fit...hab mir die threads hier schon durchgelesen, verstehe sie aber nich :-( ich hab aber schon mal son logfile...

vielen dank schon mal....

Logfile of HijackThis v1.98.2
Scan saved at 15:53:39, on 28.09.2004
Platform: Windows XP (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2600.0000)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Programme\AVPersonal\AVGUARD.EXE
C:\PROGRA~1\GEMEIN~1\AOL\ACS\AOLacsd.exe
C:\Programme\AVPersonal\AVWUPSRV.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Programme\Gemeinsame Dateien\AOL\ACS\AOLDial.exe
C:\Programme\QuickTime\qttask.exe
C:\Programme\AVPersonal\AVGNT.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe
C:\Programme\AOL 9.0a\aoltray.exe
C:\Programme\Hewlett-Packard\Digital Imaging\bin\hpohmr08.exe
C:\Programme\Hewlett-Packard\Digital Imaging\bin\hpotdd01.exe
C:\Programme\Hewlett-Packard\Digital Imaging\bin\hpoevm08.exe
C:\Programme\Hewlett-Packard\Digital Imaging\Bin\hpoSTS08.exe
C:\Programme\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE
C:\Programme\Internet Explorer\IEXPLORE.EXE
C:\Programme\WinRAR\WinRAR.exe
C:\DOKUME~1\Beedee\LOKALE~1\Temp\Rar$EX00.792\HijackThis.exe

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://suche.aol.de/suche/browser/index.jsp
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://www.aol.de/e60/
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Window Title = Microsoft Internet Explorer bereitgestellt von AOL
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Programme\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Radio - {8E718888-423F-11D2-876E-00A0C9082467} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\msdxm.ocx
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [PMXInit] C:\WINDOWS\System32\pmxinit.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AOLDialer] C:\Programme\Gemeinsame Dateien\AOL\ACS\AOLDial.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Programme\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVGCtrl] C:\Programme\AVPersonal\AVGNT.EXE /min
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [KernelFaultCheck] %systemroot%\system32\dumprep 0 -k
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] C:\WINDOWS\System32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - Global Startup: AOL 9.0 Tray-Symbol.lnk = C:\Programme\AOL 9.0a\aoltray.exe
O4 - Global Startup: hp psc 1000 series.lnk = ?
O4 - Global Startup: hpoddt01.exe.lnk = ?
O8 - Extra context menu item: Nach Microsoft &Excel exportieren - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office10\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: AIM - {AC9E2541-2814-11d5-BC6D-00B0D0A1DE45} - C:\Programme\AIM95\aim.exe
O9 - Extra button: Real.com - {CD67F990-D8E9-11d2-98FE-00C0F0318AFE} - C:\WINDOWS\System32\Shdocvw.dll
O14 - IERESET.INF: START_PAGE_URL=http://www.aol.de/e60/
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{6D3D4E96-540F-4913-B784-3056DFF40642}: NameServer = 205.188.146.146

*Christian* 28.09.2004 18:48

@Ceridwen

Ich sehe eigentlich nur, dass du www.windowsupdate.com besuchen solltest und alle Updates und Patches installieren solltest.

Scanne mal mit eScan im abgesicherten Modus: http://www.trojaner-board.de/showthread.php?t=6083


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